ID: A tent for all theists? Was :RE: Moon proclaims he is

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Date: Mon Jul 15 2002 - 11:36:27 EDT

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    Presumably ID is supposed to be a big tent uniting theists (all of whom
    believe that God is the creator?/designer? against antireligious
    evolutionists, like Dawkins, Dennett, Provine etc. Yet it has not worked out
    that way, with many religious thinkers attacking ID. Why? Are'nt Phillip,
    Jonathon et al. on our side , fighting against the forces of darkness, led
    by the Lord of Hellfire himself, Dawkins? (OK, maybe he isn't THE Lord of
    Hellfire, but IMO he may be one of his minions :-)
    Well, Glenn, George? Do you think you are giving aid and comfort to the
    enemy by "lining up" with , say, Dawkins & Eugene Scott against defenders of
    theism like Phillip Johnson and Jonathon Wells.? Even if they are wrong
    about a few technical and theological issues, shouldn't we being lining up
    with them ?

    -----Original Message-----
    From: []On
    Behalf Of george murphy
    Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 7:37 PM
    To: Glenn Morton
    Subject: Re: Moon proclaims he is messiah! Impact on ID?

              I sent my earlier post before looking at the item Glenn refers to
    below. Having done so, I can heartily recommend it as the funniest
    news item I've seen in many years. Note especially the following:
              "At the celestial event, Muhammed is said to have led three cheers,
    while God submitted a letter stating, 'I believe in the True Parents.'"
              Just try to picture it. Words fail me.


    Glenn Morton wrote:

    > In a move which surely must cause a bit of embarrassment for the ID
    > Phil Johnson and other ID members, Rev. Sun Myung Moon has proclaimed
    > Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha - even God - have told him he is now 'the Savior,
    > Messiah and King of Kings of all of humanity!'"
    > This may have some impact on the ID movement but to explain why requires
    > some background.
    > Keith Miller, in Dec. 1999 published a note with Jonathan Well's web
    > proclaiming that he was a Moonie. Keith attached a note from Phillip
    > at the bottom. Johnson acknowledges that he knew Wells is a Moonie but
    > frankly expresses a big yawn for that knowledge. I posted a response to
    > Keith's note outlining what I viewed as the ID movement's lack of concern
    > for Scriptural Christianity.
    > I also had been having an e-mail conversations with Paul Nelson just
    > before Keith's note. Paul had already confirmed to me that Wells was a
    > Moonie and a fine fellow. He said that they merely disagreed about
    > I should hope so! But at what point do our attempts to create an
    > become worthless for our faith?
    > I think the question for the evangelical supporters of the ID movement
    > the Discovery Institute is: Should we support someone with views like
    > Will Nelson and colleagues like Steve Meyer, in light of Moon's
    > proclamation that he is the 'King of King for all humanity!" continue to
    > encourage evangelical publishers to publish Well's stuff? Wells who now
    > believe that Sun Myung Moon is the Messiah seems to hold values quite at
    > odds with conventional Christianity. It seems to me that ID has become
    > theologically neutral as to be of no value to Christianity.
    > glenn
    > see
    > for lots of creation/evolution information
    > anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
    > personal stories of struggle

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