Re: Burgy's Testimony

From: Walter Hicks (
Date: Wed Jul 17 2002 - 09:10:21 EDT

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    Points well taken, George.

    That's why you are the list's theologian :-)


    george murphy wrote:

    > Walter Hicks wrote:
    > > Burgy╠s Testimony
    > >
    > > I think that Burgy has shown incredible courage in posting his personal
    > > testimony on this list. I further believe that the rest of us should
    > > follow suit. I know that my own cannot be anywhere near as compelling,
    > > but I am willing to post if even one other person can agree that this is
    > > a good idea --- and maybe even they do not.
    > >
    > > BTW: we recently did this in a Stephen Ministry meeting at the church I
    > > attend. The results were truly amazing and make one wonder why we dare
    > > not more be far more open to our neighbors. There are many ways to come
    > > to know the Lord and you must hear those of others to understand his
    > > amazing grace.
    > I'm sorry that I have to disagree. Burgy felt, because of responses
    > to some of his comments, that it was necessary to make a statement about his
    > own experience and faith. I found that helpful and what I say here is not
    > at all intended to be critical of either his posting that statement or the
    > contents of his post.
    > But I do not think it will be helpful for everyone on the list to
    > follow suit and change the character of the list. Unless there is obvious
    > reason to think otherwise I think we should put the best construction on
    > everything & assume that others approach discussions from a standpoint of
    > genuine Christian faith. How we may have come to faith is, _for the
    > purposes of the discussions for which this list is intended_, secondary.
    > Faith, in the deepest sense of trust, is primary. Theology,
    > thinking about & expressing our faith, is something secondary, but not
    > thereby unimportant. Science and technology call us to serious theological
    > reflection. Our own experiences will affect our theology & the ways in
    > which we express it, but personal testimony of anyone after the apostles
    > cannot be foundational.
    > In addition, sharing of "testimonies" subjects people to the
    > temptation to make the presentation of their own experiences more
    > gut-wrenching, heart-warming, inspiring &c than that of the last person. It
    > can also operate as a kind of theological blackmail, for after someone has
    > described some intense experience it seems a little churlish to criticize
    > him or her for bad theology.
    > Shalom,
    > George
    > George L. Murphy
    > "The Science-Theology Interface"

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