Re: Moon proclaims he is messiah! Impact on ID?

From: Darryl Maddox (
Date: Wed Jul 17 2002 - 09:17:39 EDT

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    I am a bit tardy in getting in on this and perhaps even a bit off on my
    logic but the adage "The enemy of my enemy can be my friend" comes to mind
    when thinking of Wells and the ID group. As I see it they both dislike some
    of the arguments that have been used to support and teach evolution and if
    that is so, then I would see nothing wrong with the ID group using or
    supporting anyones arguments (includeing those of Wells") against evolution
    as long as they agree with the argument. Whatever else Wells may believe
    and argue for or against would be beside the point. Would I not use a good
    argument for a particular idea in geology just because I disagreed with the
    other beliefs of the author of that argument? No, I would use the arugment.
    I might point out that it was not my arugument and that I dissagreed with
    the originator of the argument about other points just so there would be no
    confusion, but I would use the argument. I guess the question is one of
    whether the ID people like and agree with Well's arguments or do they like
    and agree with his beliefs. I don't know the answer to that.


    Original Message -----
    From: "Michael Roberts" <>
    To: "Glenn Morton" <>; <>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:09 PM
    Subject: Re: Moon proclaims he is messiah! Impact on ID?

    > I had great fun in an evangelical bookshop in Bangor Wales complaining
    > they were selling moonie literature.
    > For once, yes for once, I agree with Glenn!!!!!!
    > Michael
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Glenn Morton" <>
    > To: <>
    > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:41 AM
    > Subject: Moon proclaims he is messiah! Impact on ID?
    > > In a move which surely must cause a bit of embarrassment for the ID
    > > Phil Johnson and other ID members, Rev. Sun Myung Moon has proclaimed
    > "that
    > > Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha - even God - have told him he is now 'the
    > > Messiah and King of Kings of all of humanity!'"
    > >
    > >
    > > This may have some impact on the ID movement but to explain why
    > > some background.
    > >
    > > Keith Miller, in Dec. 1999 published a note with Jonathan Well's web
    > papers
    > > proclaiming that he was a Moonie. Keith attached a note from Phillip
    > Johnson
    > > at the bottom. Johnson acknowledges that he knew Wells is a Moonie but
    > > frankly expresses a big yawn for that knowledge. I posted a response to
    > > Keith's note outlining what I viewed as the ID movement's lack of
    > > for Scriptural Christianity.
    > >
    > >
    > > I also had been having an e-mail conversations with Paul Nelson just
    > > before Keith's note. Paul had already confirmed to me that Wells was a
    > > Moonie and a fine fellow. He said that they merely disagreed about
    > theology.
    > > I should hope so! But at what point do our attempts to create an
    > apologetic
    > > become worthless for our faith?
    > >
    > > I think the question for the evangelical supporters of the ID movement
    > > the Discovery Institute is: Should we support someone with views like
    > this?
    > > Will Nelson and colleagues like Steve Meyer, in light of Moon's
    > > proclamation that he is the 'King of King for all humanity!" continue
    > > encourage evangelical publishers to publish Well's stuff? Wells who now
    > must
    > > believe that Sun Myung Moon is the Messiah seems to hold values quite
    > > odds with conventional Christianity. It seems to me that ID has become
    > > theologically neutral as to be of no value to Christianity.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > glenn
    > >
    > > see
    > > for lots of creation/evolution information
    > > anthropology/geology/paleontology/theology\
    > > personal stories of struggle
    > >

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