Fw: Noahic Covenant

From: Jay Willingham (jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com)
Date: Sat Jul 20 2002 - 12:23:03 EDT

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    From: "Jay Willingham" <jaywillingham@cfl.rr.com>
    To: "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@earthlink.net>
    Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 12:16 PM
    Subject: Re: Noahic Covenant

    > This begs the question of which account came first and which may therefore
    > be derivative or imitative.
    >
    > Further, we know specifically that false prophets have always abounded.
    >
    > Jay
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Dick Fischer" <dickfischer@earthlink.net>
    > To: <asa@calvin.edu>
    > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 10:11 AM
    > Subject: Re: Noahic Covenant
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Vernon wrote:
    > >
    > > >The true nature and extent of the Flood can hardly be downplayed as a
    > > >"non-essential" matter for the Christian because our correct reading of
    > > >earth history rests largely upon this one event - as I'm sure you
    > > >must agree.
    > >
    > > We differ actually on what constitutes the essentials of our faith.
    > > We also differ on the extent of the flood. For those of us who have
    > > spent time studying the flood, myself, Paul Seeley, Davis Young,
    > > Robert Best, and others, there is agreement on the time and place and
    > > scope. That should tell you something. We use data and evidence in
    > > the normal way to reach conclusions based upon them.
    > >
    > > In his book, "Noah's Ark and the Ziusudra Epic," Robert Best compared
    > > the flood texts from Ziusudra, Atrahasis, the eleventh tablet of
    > > Gilgamesh (written in four languages), Genesis 6-9, Berossus, and a
    > > version from Moses of Khoren.
    > >
    > > Best concluded, "Distinctive story elements and phrases that are
    > > common to two or more of these six stories indicate a common origin.
    > > Parallel quotations make it obvious that these six flood stories did
    > > not originate independently:"
    > >
    > > If you know anyone who thinks the flood was global, send them this
    > > list. For anyone who thinks the flood occurred somewhere else, send
    > > them this list. For anyone who thinks the flood occurred early in
    > > the dawn of human history, send them this list.
    > >
    > > Parallel Quotations
    > >
    > > "Side-wall ... pay attention" Ziusudra iv, 155
    > > "Wall, listen to me." Atrahasis III,i,20
    > > "Wall, pay attention" Gilgamesh X1,22
    > >
    > > "the decision that mankind is to be destroyed" Ziusudra iv,157-158
    > > "The gods commanded total destruction" Atrahasis Il,viii,34
    > > "The great gods decided to make a flood" Gilgamesh X1,14
    > > "God ... decided to make an end of all flesh" Genesis 6:13
    > >
    > > "Destroy your house, spurn property, save life" Atrahasis III,i,22
    > > "Tear down house, abandon property, save life" Gilgamesh
    > >
    > > "Enki...over the capitals the storm will sweep" Ziusudra iv, 156
    > > "He [Enki] told him of the coming of the flood" Atrahasis III,i,37
    > > "God said to Noah ...I will bring a flood" Genesis 6:13,17
    > > "Kronos...said ...mankind would be destroyed by a flood" Berossus
    > >
    > > "...the huge boat" Ziusudra v,207
    > > "Build a ship" Atrahasis III,i,22
    > > "Build a ship" Gilgamesh X1,24
    > > "Make yourself an ark" Genesis 6:14
    > > "build a boat" Berossus
    > >
    > > ¤who protected the seed of mankind" Ziusudra vi,259
    > > "Bring into the ship the seed of all life" Gilgamesh X1,27
    > > ¤to keep their seed alive" Genesis 7:3 (KJV)
    > >
    > > "Like the apsu you shall roof it" Atrahasis 111j,29
    > > "Like the apsu you shall roof it" Gilgamesh X1,31
    > > ¤Make a roof for the arkË Genesis 6:16
    > >
    > > ¤coming of the flood on the seventh night" Atrahasis,lll,i,37
    > > "after seven days the waters of the flood came" Genesis 710
    > >
    > > "...and addressed the elders" Atrahasis 111,01
    > > "I answer the city people and the elders" Gilgamesh X1,35
    > >
    > > "This is what you shall say to them..." Gilgamesh X1,38
    > > "If asked where he was sailing he was to reply..." Berossus
    > >
    > > ¤I cannot live in (your city)Ë Atrahasis III,I,47
    > > ¤I cannot live in (your city)Ë Gilgamesh XI, 44
    > >
    > > "An abundance of birds, a profusion of fishes" Atrahasis III,i,35
    > > "[an abundance of] birds, [a profusion of] fish" Gilgamesh X1,44
    > >
    > > "pitch I poured into the inside" Gilgamesh X1,66
    > > "cover it inside and out with pitch" Genesis 6:14
    > > "some people scrape pitch off the boat" Berossus
    > >
    > > "your family, your relatives" Atrahasis DT,42(w),8
    > > "he sent his family on board" Atrahasis III,ii,42
    > > "into the ship all my family and relatives" Gilgamesh X1,84
    > > "Go into the ark, you and all your household" Genesis 7:1
    > > "he sent his wife and children and friends on board" Berossus
    > >
    > > "animals which emerge from the earth" Ziusudra vi,253
    > > "all the wild creatures of the steppe" Atrahasis DT,42(w),9
    > > "The cattle of the field, the beast of the plain" Gilgamesh X1,85
    > > "clean animals and of animals that are not clean" Genesis 7:8
    > > ¤and put both birds and animals on board" Berossus
    > >
    > > "Enter the boat and close the boat's door" Atrahasis DT,42(w),6
    > > "Pitch was brought for him to close his door" Atrahasis III,ii,51
    > > "I entered the boat and closed the door' Gilgamesh X1,93
    > > "And they that entered ... and the Lord shut him in" Genesis 7:16
    > >
    > > "Ninurta went forth making the dikes [overflow]" Atrahasis U rev, 14
    > > "Ninurta went forth making the dikes overflow" Gilgamesh X1,102
    > >
    > > "One person could [not] see another" Atrahasis III,iii,13
    > > "One person could not see another" Gilgamesh X1,111
    > >
    > > "to Puzur-Amurri the boatman" Gilgamesh,Xl,94
    > > "the boatman shared the same honor" Berossus
    > >
    > > "the storm had swept ... for seven days and seven nights" Ziusudra
    > > "For seven days and seven nights came the storm" Atrahasis III,iv,24
    > > "Six days and seven nights the wind and storm" Gilgamesh X1,127
    > > "rain fell upon the earth forty days and forty nights" Genesis 7:12
    > >
    > > "consigned the peoples to destruction" Atrahasis III,iii,54
    > > "All mankind was turned to clay" Gilgamesh X1,133
    > > "And all flesh died ... and every man" Genesis 7:21
    > >
    > > "Ziusudra made an opening in the large boat" Ziusudra vi,207
    > > "I opened the window" Gilgamesh X1,135
    > > "Noah opened the window of the ark" Genesis 8:6
    > > "he pried open a portion of the boat" Berossus
    > >
    > > "On Mount Nisir the boat grounded" Gilgamesh X1,140
    > > "the ark came to rest upon the mountains" Genesis 8:4
    > > "the boat had grounded upon a mountain" Berossus
    > > "After Khsisuthros...landed ...a long mountain" Moses of Khoren
    > >
    > > "The dove went out and returned" Gilgamesh X1,147
    > > "sent forth the dove and the dove came back to him" Genesis 8:10
    > > ¤let out the birds and they again returned to the shipË Berossus
    > >
    > > "The king slaughtered ... bulls and sheep" Ziusudra vi,211
    > > "He offered [a sacrifice]" Atrahasis III,v,31
    > > "And offered a sacrifice" Gilgamesh X1,155
    > > "offered burnt offerings on the altar" Genesis 8:20
    > > "built an altar and sacrificed to the gods" Berossus
    > >
    > > "[The gods smelled] the savor' Atrahasis III,v,34
    > > "The gods smelled the sweet savor" Gilgamesh X1,160
    > > "And the Lord smelled the sweet savor..." Genesis 8:21
    > >
    > > "the lapis around my neck" Atrahasis Ill,vi,2
    > > "the lapis lazuli on my neck" Gilgamesh X1,164
    > >
    > > "That I may remember it [every] day" Atrahasis III,vi,4
    > > "I shall remember these days and never forget" Gilgamesh X1,165
    > > "I shall remember my covenant ...I may remember' Genesis 9:15-16
    > >
    > > "How did man survive the destruction?" Atrahasis III,vi,10
    > > "No man was to survive the destruction" Gilgamesh X1,173
    > >
    > > "[on the criminal] impose your penalty" Atrahasis III,vi,25
    > > "On the criminal impose his crimes" Gilgamesh X1,180
    > > "Who sheds the blood of man, by man his blood be shed" Genesis 9:6
    > >
    > > "he touched our foreheads to bless us" Gilgamesh X1,192
    > > "And God blessed Noah" Genesis 9:1
    > >
    > > "elevated him to eternal life, like a god" Ziusudra vi,257
    > > "they shall be like gods to us" Gilgamesh X1,194
    > >
    > > "I lived in the temple of Ea, my lord" Atrahasis RS 22.421,7
    > > "go down to dwell with my lord Ea" Gilgamesh X1,42
    > > "he had gone to dwell with the gods" Berossus
    > > "Noah walked with God." Genesis 6:9c
    > >
    > > Dick Fischer - The Origins Solution - www.orislol.com
    > > ¤The Answer we should have known about 150 years agoË
    > >
    > >
    >



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