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From: "Jim Eisele" <email@example.com>
Cc: <firstname.lastname@example.org>; <email@example.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: Noahic Covenant
> It is time to begin to develop a quick list.
I think you are right. It is time to get a list of specifics to talk =
about and you have made a good start and I would like to add a few =
things to it. Perhaps we (you and I, or at least some of us in the =
group) can come to some consensus or perhaps we will se that because of =
our various backgrounds and beliefs we will come to 2 or 3 sets of =
consensus but whether it is one or more, at least we will know exactly =
what we are saying, why we are saying them, and the kind(s) of evidense =
that might change our minds. You will note that beside some of your =
items I have placed questions. This is not because I doubt them but =
because I would like more information on how what you are saying is =
determined within the context of the heading under which it is found. =
The replies or elaborations by you or others on the list will help me =
learn about these fields. AS I said in my earlier post to Glenn and =
Dick, I am not interested in resolving this issue but I am interested in =
learning about what information is used by workers in the various fields =
and how they process that information to come to a conclusion. I don't =
expect you or the others to provide me a full blown college education on =
these matters so probably a simple yes, no, or 1-2 sentence answer, or =
list of key words or phrases will suffice to answer my questions.
> A. Archaeologic evidence
> 1. Simultaneous deposits
Simultaneous as determined by?
> 2. Interpretation of these deposits by archaeologists as flood =
(Based on archaeological or geologica data and if geological:
A) are (were) they qualified by education or field experience to make =
such a determination?
B) did they publish their data showing that the "flood" deposits at =
various locations were physically continguous or correlatable by other =
accepted geologic means?
> 3. Deposits in agreement with Bible (Septuagint) chronology.
> B. Literary evidence
> 1. Gilgamesh epic
> 2. Atrahasis
> 3. etc.
> C. Biblical evidence
> 1. building cities
> 2. chronology
> 3. etc.
D. Geologic evidence (Other geologists in the group please feel free =
to add to or correct this list of evindeces for determining whether or =
not a deposit represents a "flood". Its been a long time since I took =
or did any real sedimentology so some of this may be either out of data =
terminology or techniques.
1. Question need to deside whether we are talking about a sheet =
flood over a broad plain which also filled the existing valleys or was =
it a confined flood that stayed within the flood plain of a specific =
2. external geometry of sediment bed or layer i.e. is it=20
a) confinded to a flood plain or does it extend out over that =
onto what ever plain there may have been?=20
b) if it is confined to a channel is the channel and the deposit =
wide, reasonably, thin, and straight with the other characteristics of a =
braided river deposit or is it=20
c) a meandering channel with point bar and ox bow, crevasse =
3) within the sand/gravel body that constitutes the deposit
a) is there evidense of longitudinal or transverse bars?
b) what kind of bedding plane geometries are seen as you go=20
ii) vertically through the deposit
iii) laterally across the deposit
c) what kind of grain size distribution is found as you go (same =
list as above)
d) if there are large stones that are much larger in 2 of their =
3 dimensions than in the third, are they imbricated and do these =
imbrications agree with the paleo-current direction(s) determined from =
the sedimentary structures and grain orientation work?
4) do the deposits in question represent a single event or multiple =
events which are either stacked or cross-cutting?
Well, that drained my brain for the time I have available but I know =
there are other geologic criteria and questions so I look forward to =
what others have to add to the list.
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