Re: Coal and YEC models

From: Jonathan Clarke (
Date: Tue Jul 30 2002 - 18:47:05 EDT

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    I would also add that there are many deep water (continental slope and pelagic)
    Palaeozoic and Proterozoic deposits that are not oceanic (i.e. on oceanic
    crust). Local (on a continental scale) examples include the Neoproterozoic
    Wonoka Formation, Cambrian Parara and Mernamerna Formations in SA, the world
    famous Devonian turbidites at Cape Liptrap, and the Late Cambrian cherts at
    Narooma. Not a scerrick of coal in any of them. There is coal in any of the
    ODP holes either, except those that have been drilled on submerged platforms
    (such as the 90 east Ridge).


    Glenn Morton wrote:

    > >If I remember right that criticism can not be used for paleozoic coals
    > >since NO PALEOZOIC sediments are preserved in deep ocean basins. Unless
    > >the explanation changed the assumption is that as ocean floor spreads it
    > >goes under the continental shelfs and this process has removed all the
    > >older sediments from the ocean.
    > >
    > >I don't know how old sediments there are in the ocean but Glenn's point
    > >is valid for recent coals but it won't work for Carboniferous coals.
    > In general, you are correct, the paleozoic sediments have been subducted.
    > But that in and of itself presents a problem for the global flood advocates.
    > One simply can't have the oceans subducting at rates that would have had to
    > apply if this explanation is to be used within the YEC model. To do it
    > would require a different rock strength than we observe and at least
    > according to Baumgardner's runaway subduction model, the production of 10^28
    > joules of heat which would melt the earth. And if you don't have rapid
    > subduction, then you should have paleozoic coals in the ocean basin. Thus
    > the YECs are hooked between the horns of a dilemma. Either they have enough
    > heat to melt the earth or they have to have a fence around each continent to
    > prevent the mats from escaping over the oceanic basins.
    > There is one final point. There are small pieces of Paleozoic oceanic crust
    > on the continents. These are the ophiolites and they are oceanic crust which
    > was thrust on top of the continents rather than subducting. I know of no
    > coal found with those suites.
    > glenn
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