Re: [asa] The Hebrew for the Making of Man

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. <>
Date: Tue Jan 29 2008 - 18:22:55 EST

I cannot respond to the grammatical question, except to note that Payne's
approach seems to assume that what he thinks the text should say is
exactly what the text does say. The text says that the sun, moon and
stars are attached to the firmament, which has water above it. (Heard's
picture in the second listing is good.) This requires that the heavenly
bodies are all at least approximately equidistant from where we live on
the surface of the earth. When Payne demonstrates this "fact" (it's
revealed by God!), then his argument will have relevance. I have noted
that the verses cited by Creationists seem to be restricted to those that
fit their view. For example, when did you hear that Adam and Eve could
have lived forever after eating the forbidden fruit? But note Genesis
Dave (ASA)

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:18:23 -0500 "David Opderbeck"
<> writes:
Here is an old (1965) article from the ETS bulletin arguing against TE
based on the Hebrew in Gen. 2:

I'd be very interested to hear anyone's responses as to the grammatical

For a very good response on the broader hermeneutical issues, see this
post from Higgaion, the very cool OT studies blog of Chris Heard,
Associate Professor of Religion at Pepperdine: And see this excellent general
post on genre:

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